I know you're not a huge fan of reading but I would highly recommend making an exception for "The Language of Creation" by Mathieu Pageau, it takes this heaven/earth principle and goes into a lot more detail
Just found your YouTube last night and now your substack. I began reading Jung a few months ago, and my entire perspective has been gradually shifting ever since.
Hey Man, just wanted to say thank you for your work. I am in cash crunch so have to remove any extraneous expenses no matter how small. Just had a 3rd child and job changes. I wanted to wish you the best and hope to be a subscriber in the future.
I've been interested in this one articel for years but it never really clicked for me. However, after reading your article I kind of get it better now!
I see a parallel also between the seven days of the creation of the cosmos and the seven story-focus characters in the Old Testament from Abraham to Joshua. Sorry, long:
Before Abraham, the nation of Israel had not been settled, it did not exist. God begins to create Israel with 1) Abraham, followed by 2) Isaac, 3) Jacob, 4) Joseph, 5) Moses, 6) Joshua, and then after Joshua the land of Israel has been settled, which is the 7) day of rest in which we get to step back and admire the creation.
I think that there is something to this, so I'll give more detail here, if you care to see it explained: Abraham is Sunday because it is he through whom God initiates the creation process of Israel. Now, Isaac passively carries on this mission; Isaac is more defined by what happens to him and what others do on his behalf than on what he does himself; when he does things himself, it is following the established pattern of Abraham who came before him, often restoring the things that Abraham built, like wells. This is all very lunar to me; Isaac is the Moon, Monday, to Abraham's Sun. Isaac is followed by Jacob; now, Jacob contrasts with Isaac because he is very active and willful in contrast, he goes out from the family of his fathers and must labor to earn his keep from Laban, and he even wrestles God (or an angel, or Jesus, or whoever you think the guy representing God whom he wrestled with is). Having to struggle and literally wrestle gives very big Martian vibes to me, i.e. Tuesday. Now of course, Jacob also had a vision of his titular ladder, so he is a bit of a dreamer and a visionary: but not moreso than Joseph, who follows on Jacob as the focus character of the next stories, who is defined by his dreams and interpretations thereof, and for this reason it is fitting to put Joseph with Wednesday, or the day of Mercury. Moses, following on Joseph, is the leader of Israel during the period of time in which it has grown from a single family into a huge group of people of similar heritage; it is through Moses that the big group really becomes a nation in truth, receiving form and custom and ritual and law through their going out of Egypt and being molded at Mt. Sinai and through trials in the desert to become the Israel which God had set out to create. Growth and coming into maturity from childhood is a big Jupiterian theme: and it is by the hand of Moses that God grows Israel from a people into a nation. Moses, then, is Thursday. Next is Joshua; Joshua is the one who actually leads Israel into the land of Canaan and puts the finishing touches on the creation of Israel, finally bringing them into their land and establishing them their. Well, in the same way that man and woman were crowning piece of God's creation that brought the cosmos to its completion, in the same way that God places the man in the Garden to tend and keep it and then makes woman from man as the final crowning flourish of creation, Joshua too completes the creation process of Israel by bringing it into the land, driving out the other tribes, and settling them according to their allotted places, giving to them the land which they will tend and keep just as God gave the Garden to the first humans. From then on, the people get to enjoy their lives as a free nation, no longer slaves to the Egyptians, and although as we see the creation isn't perfectly as intended (instigating much grief to go forward), there is at least a period of time in which it is implied that Israel may rest after their long struggles to grow and travel and struggle: they may rest, at least until (like the first humans) they go after forbidden things and things begin to come apart again, for which there will be be required a new instigation of God's mission. So then Saturday is, I would say, the time after Joshua and before the first rebellion of the people in Judges.
EDIT: Honorable mention to Noah as the Saturday before Abraham's Sunday. His name literally means "rest," and his story is about the earth seeing it's reprieve from wickedness, with Noah carrying forward the cosmos in seed for to begin again anew.
Love this… imagery of Red is also related to rubric / rood screen—like the iconostasis, which brings the nave and Holy of Holies together— Christ, the son of Man, is the rubric linking heaven and earth together.
Imagery of “red” also alluded in Heb 10:19–20, "Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the *blood of Jesus*, by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is through his flesh."
Check out Ioannis Goldmouth's correspondence schema, if you haven't already: instead of the skip-around pattern of the days of the week, he uses the linear pattern proceeding from the Moon to Saturn.
I think that, in particular, the wrinkle between the two depends on a choice of which planet to associate with day 3, Mars or Venus. Because, superficially speaking, it could be either. I could go into more detail, but, Ioannis has already done so, so I'll link him below.
I don't find it intuitive, because he moves from inner spheres (Moon) to outer ones (Saturn) which isn't what I see when I read Genesis. I see a movement from the outermost to the innermost. But that doesn't square with Saturn being last.
You can absolutely see it either way, that's just not what I see. It's sort of like "do you write with your left hand or your right?"
To me, straight Chaldean Order looks left-handed but I think correspondence systems are ultimately mnemonics, so whatever works for you is what works
Interestingly, in Catholicism, the Rosary is divided into Mysteries which correspond to a particular day (or days) of the week. The Joyful Mysteries correspond to Mondays and Saturdays, the Luminous mysteries correspond to Thursdays, the Sorrowful Mysteries correspond to Tuesdays and Fridays (you made the connection already, and the Glorious Mysteries correspond to Wednesdays and Sundays.
It is interesting to note also, that in English, each of the days correspond to a Germanic god. Monday is moons-day, Tuesday to Tyrs-tag, Wednesday to Wotans-tag, Thursday=Thor's day, Friday is Freia's Tag, Saturday is Saturn's day, and Sunday is Sunday.
I see a parallelism between without form and void, with the two triads of creation days and with image and likeness of God. The first three days end the without form and the second three days answer the void . The image is the knowledge of the unchangeable God and thus corresponds to the first triad of stationary form. The likeness corresponds to the love of God and thus the movement of the will and the heavenly bodies and animals, etc. I came to this by meditating on Tomberg who in John 1 sees Jesus as the light corresponding to the first week of creation and Jesus as the life corresponding to the second week of creation. The image and likeness entailing the knowledge of God and the love of God I derived from the Lutheran tradition.
I am missing the mars connection you mentioned. Adam coming from the ground might account for reddish color so Mars there but what does working in Agriculture have to do with it?
It's kind of an intuitive thing; you subdue the earth and sow your seed. The Roman Mars was the god of war and agriculture, so it seems that they saw the parallels.
I know you're not a huge fan of reading but I would highly recommend making an exception for "The Language of Creation" by Mathieu Pageau, it takes this heaven/earth principle and goes into a lot more detail
Yes, it's a very good book, I read it in March!
Just found your YouTube last night and now your substack. I began reading Jung a few months ago, and my entire perspective has been gradually shifting ever since.
Excellent work man, keep it up👍
You have a great gift and I thank you for opening my eyes to things I never would have thought of. Keep it up!!
Really amazing how frequent your posts had been recently, thank you for spoiling us lol
This is actually something in Orthodoxy.
I would have to find it. Listened to a priest talk about it in a podcast once.
The 3 day patterning in creation, I mean.
Would be super interested in that if you manage to find it again
DMd you.
Lol. So men (Adam) are from Mars and women (Eve) are from Venus?
Hey Man, just wanted to say thank you for your work. I am in cash crunch so have to remove any extraneous expenses no matter how small. Just had a 3rd child and job changes. I wanted to wish you the best and hope to be a subscriber in the future.
Thank you from a Pagan who you made think.
Hey, this is talked about in a Symbolic World article: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/content/the-meaning-of-plants
Kenneth and JP also spoke together on youtube about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sINcVKVwkjE&t=130s
I've been interested in this one articel for years but it never really clicked for me. However, after reading your article I kind of get it better now!
I see a parallel also between the seven days of the creation of the cosmos and the seven story-focus characters in the Old Testament from Abraham to Joshua. Sorry, long:
Before Abraham, the nation of Israel had not been settled, it did not exist. God begins to create Israel with 1) Abraham, followed by 2) Isaac, 3) Jacob, 4) Joseph, 5) Moses, 6) Joshua, and then after Joshua the land of Israel has been settled, which is the 7) day of rest in which we get to step back and admire the creation.
I think that there is something to this, so I'll give more detail here, if you care to see it explained: Abraham is Sunday because it is he through whom God initiates the creation process of Israel. Now, Isaac passively carries on this mission; Isaac is more defined by what happens to him and what others do on his behalf than on what he does himself; when he does things himself, it is following the established pattern of Abraham who came before him, often restoring the things that Abraham built, like wells. This is all very lunar to me; Isaac is the Moon, Monday, to Abraham's Sun. Isaac is followed by Jacob; now, Jacob contrasts with Isaac because he is very active and willful in contrast, he goes out from the family of his fathers and must labor to earn his keep from Laban, and he even wrestles God (or an angel, or Jesus, or whoever you think the guy representing God whom he wrestled with is). Having to struggle and literally wrestle gives very big Martian vibes to me, i.e. Tuesday. Now of course, Jacob also had a vision of his titular ladder, so he is a bit of a dreamer and a visionary: but not moreso than Joseph, who follows on Jacob as the focus character of the next stories, who is defined by his dreams and interpretations thereof, and for this reason it is fitting to put Joseph with Wednesday, or the day of Mercury. Moses, following on Joseph, is the leader of Israel during the period of time in which it has grown from a single family into a huge group of people of similar heritage; it is through Moses that the big group really becomes a nation in truth, receiving form and custom and ritual and law through their going out of Egypt and being molded at Mt. Sinai and through trials in the desert to become the Israel which God had set out to create. Growth and coming into maturity from childhood is a big Jupiterian theme: and it is by the hand of Moses that God grows Israel from a people into a nation. Moses, then, is Thursday. Next is Joshua; Joshua is the one who actually leads Israel into the land of Canaan and puts the finishing touches on the creation of Israel, finally bringing them into their land and establishing them their. Well, in the same way that man and woman were crowning piece of God's creation that brought the cosmos to its completion, in the same way that God places the man in the Garden to tend and keep it and then makes woman from man as the final crowning flourish of creation, Joshua too completes the creation process of Israel by bringing it into the land, driving out the other tribes, and settling them according to their allotted places, giving to them the land which they will tend and keep just as God gave the Garden to the first humans. From then on, the people get to enjoy their lives as a free nation, no longer slaves to the Egyptians, and although as we see the creation isn't perfectly as intended (instigating much grief to go forward), there is at least a period of time in which it is implied that Israel may rest after their long struggles to grow and travel and struggle: they may rest, at least until (like the first humans) they go after forbidden things and things begin to come apart again, for which there will be be required a new instigation of God's mission. So then Saturday is, I would say, the time after Joshua and before the first rebellion of the people in Judges.
EDIT: Honorable mention to Noah as the Saturday before Abraham's Sunday. His name literally means "rest," and his story is about the earth seeing it's reprieve from wickedness, with Noah carrying forward the cosmos in seed for to begin again anew.
Love this… imagery of Red is also related to rubric / rood screen—like the iconostasis, which brings the nave and Holy of Holies together— Christ, the son of Man, is the rubric linking heaven and earth together.
Imagery of “red” also alluded in Heb 10:19–20, "Therefore, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the sanctuary by the *blood of Jesus*, by the new and living way which he opened for us through the curtain, that is through his flesh."
Check out Ioannis Goldmouth's correspondence schema, if you haven't already: instead of the skip-around pattern of the days of the week, he uses the linear pattern proceeding from the Moon to Saturn.
I think that, in particular, the wrinkle between the two depends on a choice of which planet to associate with day 3, Mars or Venus. Because, superficially speaking, it could be either. I could go into more detail, but, Ioannis has already done so, so I'll link him below.
https://open.substack.com/pub/ioannisgoldmouth/p/7-planets-7-days-of-creation?r=bzcc4&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
I don't find it intuitive, because he moves from inner spheres (Moon) to outer ones (Saturn) which isn't what I see when I read Genesis. I see a movement from the outermost to the innermost. But that doesn't square with Saturn being last.
You can absolutely see it either way, that's just not what I see. It's sort of like "do you write with your left hand or your right?"
To me, straight Chaldean Order looks left-handed but I think correspondence systems are ultimately mnemonics, so whatever works for you is what works
Interestingly, in Catholicism, the Rosary is divided into Mysteries which correspond to a particular day (or days) of the week. The Joyful Mysteries correspond to Mondays and Saturdays, the Luminous mysteries correspond to Thursdays, the Sorrowful Mysteries correspond to Tuesdays and Fridays (you made the connection already, and the Glorious Mysteries correspond to Wednesdays and Sundays.
It is interesting to note also, that in English, each of the days correspond to a Germanic god. Monday is moons-day, Tuesday to Tyrs-tag, Wednesday to Wotans-tag, Thursday=Thor's day, Friday is Freia's Tag, Saturday is Saturn's day, and Sunday is Sunday.
I see a parallelism between without form and void, with the two triads of creation days and with image and likeness of God. The first three days end the without form and the second three days answer the void . The image is the knowledge of the unchangeable God and thus corresponds to the first triad of stationary form. The likeness corresponds to the love of God and thus the movement of the will and the heavenly bodies and animals, etc. I came to this by meditating on Tomberg who in John 1 sees Jesus as the light corresponding to the first week of creation and Jesus as the life corresponding to the second week of creation. The image and likeness entailing the knowledge of God and the love of God I derived from the Lutheran tradition.
I am missing the mars connection you mentioned. Adam coming from the ground might account for reddish color so Mars there but what does working in Agriculture have to do with it?
It's kind of an intuitive thing; you subdue the earth and sow your seed. The Roman Mars was the god of war and agriculture, so it seems that they saw the parallels.